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I would like the ability to choose the content I see instead of depending on what content the instance admin has chosen. It makes finding the perfect instance nearly impossible.

Also this thread with all the spam in it is a pretty strong argument against your point I think.

Taking this to an extreme example like illegal content you could see how it wouldn’t work well. Nobody would want to have to moderate their whole network for illegal content by themselves.

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IMO that’s how the fediverse is designed to work, and for many it does!

This issue is firmly down to instance administrators, no matter if it’s Lemmy, mastodon or whatever. As long as admins ban instances rather than users or communities, you’re stuck in somebody else’s perfect garden.

Just yesterday I saw how a prominent instance banned an instance because a few users on there spanned bad content. By that metric, all it takes is for a single user to create a few spam accounts to get an instance defederated. And with secondary block being based on “well X blocked therm so we will just do the same without any evaluation on our own.”

It’s madness.

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It is often easier/quicker to de-federate than to moderate individually. Instance admins are busy people that are not paid for shifting through their entire instance all day to remove spam and abusive content.

I often wish that people who voice such opinions would be forced to admin a typical social media platform for a week or so. That would very quickly change their minds…

I think a good compromise would be a quick way to temporary ban an instance (that is being abused for spam etc.) with an automatic expiry, like 7 days upon which the admin is asked if it should be made permanent or otherwise the ban is lifted automatically.

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It is often easier/quicker to de-federate than to moderate individually.

True. And the easiest option is to completely disable federation.

Instance admins are busy people that are not paid for shifting through their entire instance all day to remove spam and abusive content.

True. Some do it for free.

I often wish that people who voice such opinions would be forced to admin a typical social media platform for a week or so. That would very quickly change their minds…

Or it could make them even more focused on the idea of creating a working system that doesn’t include perma-banning instances from federation. Look at the most recent spam-wave, if you browse the mod logs you can see how the admins at one of the “offending” instances banning spammers.

Does that make me argue that all existing instances should de-federate from this seemingly new instance? Nope.

I think a good compromise would be a quick way to temporary ban an instance (that is being abused for spam etc.) with an automatic expiry, like 7 days upon which the admin is asked if it should be made permanent or otherwise the ban is lifted automatically.

That’s a very good idea, even just a few days of “quarantine” should allow for admins to handle the problem. In the very least close down open registrations and prune the spam. An addition could be a sort of counter, if I have to temporary “quarantine” an instance for the fourth time in a month I know they’re not very focused on preventing spam.

I think that’s the best solution to the intermittent spam waves I’ve heard so far.

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non-alienation guiding principle.

every fediverse application is either 1) completely dense for anyone but a few contributors or 2) condescending and trying very hard to hide all the conplexity.

1 makes it harder for common folks to join the effort and start their instances etc.

2 makes the folks who join via downloading apps like jerboa completely oblivious they are not just using a twitter clone with less people.

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UI/UX.

This. This right here. Someone with actual formal study and experience in UI and UX design needs to be brought into the loop on most of the fediverse projects. This way you get around things like Pixelfed not allowing batched uploads and other horrors of UX.

Discoverability and Sign On. I like the frendica directory idea something like that for lemmy could be the ducks nuts.

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Single sign on for other fediverse sites with my main account (likely mastodon)

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That article actually shows that the Diaspora / (old) Friendica / Hubzilla group of non-AP fediverse has been much more creative in innovative user-centric design. A bit of a pity that Mastodon is dominating the AP space and basically just copies Twitter.

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(…) bit of a pity that Mastodon is dominating the AP space and basically just copies Twitter.

And what’s wrong with Mastodon imitating Twitter? In fact, it’s a good thing. Do you know how many designers Twitter has working hard to make it attractive to users? Mastodon can take inspiration from Twitter and avoid so much design work so they can focus on code. Besides, you don’t have to mimic all the features, just take inspiration and eliminate obscure patterns and negative features like stories. This way, newcomers will not feel so confused. If they don’t get inspiration of those famous services, it eventually happens to them like gnusocial and they become inaccessible atrocities for the average user.

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The problem is that it limits itself to more or less only Twitter like features, and Twitter is primarily designed to optimized advertisement revenue by their designers.

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